While subsonic loads are technically possible with W296, you should avoid them because it is too easy to reach dangerous overpressure levels with this powder. I have a 16 bbl. Screw JD Jones who sat on his product and refused to share his creation after earning millions. Data from a POF 10.5" barrel, 1:7" twist. February 15, 2022. Old Craftsman 6-inch dial calipers passed on the author by his machinist father alongside a Wilson .300 Blackout case gauge. The part is free, you are just responsible for any applicable taxes and Shipping/Handling. Some of the other guys may back me up on this, I haven't found any supersonic loads that don't deliver at least one inch groups in the Blackout but the subs are a different story. 01-26-2013, 07:53 AM #9 bmiller Boolit Buddy 300 Blackout is taking the shooting world by storm, and for good reason. If you choose to load subsonic ammo for an AR-15, some bullet ogives can interfere with first rib in the standard AR magazine, causing the ammo to bind and not feed correctly. LBT heat treated solids and max charges of 296 are a super penetrator for large dangerous game! When a certain caliber can range from pushing bullets around 150 grains down range around 2500 feet per second to throwing 245-grain bullets at 950 feet per second, it obviously . 296 has kept .410 in the hands of American youth- teaching them to shoot for generations. Your email address will not be published. I fired these in a Remington 700 at ninety yards without the suppressor attached. Groups were 5 shots (unless otherwise indicated) at 100 yards. Bullets for the .300 Blackout are where things can also get interesting. If you are planning to reuse your brass, and you should, you will probably want to clean it. It is a compressed load and I have read about the dangers of compressing trail boss.. +1; Yup, TB gets really wonky if you compress it. This is particularly helpful when loading subsonic ammunition as you can make sure your bullet speeds are still below supersonic velocities but as close as to those velocities as you can get. Simply telling me I am wrong won't help. or 5.56 NATO chamber. The standard 5.56 NATO Magpul PMag on the left shows the second round nosed down in the magazine due to binding. I explained to him he wouldnt really have a 300 BLK anymore. However, the 300 Blackouts heavier bullet compensates for its lesser speed to grant it an effective muzzle energy, and its 0.84 greater diameter enables it to inflict a wider wound channel. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. All .300 Blackout rifles can shoot either subsonic or supersonic with no additional changes or accessories, the only difference being in the ammunition. <> . A forum community dedicated to anglers in the Texas area. Note: In the target above, the groups labeled 6.5 123 were shot with a 6.5 Creedmoor and are not relevant to this post. Most data I have seen specifies small-rifle magnum primers.At some point, you may want to know how fast your .300 Blackout bullets are actually going. I know some may say to check every fifth, or tenth, or whatever number cartridge. Using bullets from Barnes TSX FB, Hornady V-Max, Sierra Hollow Point, Nosler Ballistic Tip, Sierra Spitzer SP, Barnes TSX BT, Sierra MatchKing HPBT, Hornady MonoFlex, Hornady GMX, Speer Grand Slam, Speer Mag-Tip, Sierra Palma HPBT, Hornady SST, Hornady A-Max. Handloading, also called reloading, is more than just a wonderful hobby for gun owners. 180 grain rainier wedges cycled with 11ish grains of IMR4198 out of my PSA 10.5in suppressed with Syrac Ordinance adjustable gas block. 220 g round nose / 9.9 g H110 cycles 8.5 and 16 barrels no issues. Factory reloading info from Hodgdon's website as of Spring 2015. In ill health for some time, Oliver F. Winchester died December 11, 1880 at age 70 in New Haven, Connecticut. Accurate 1680 (AA1680) is a well-known double-base propellant with one of the fastest burn rates available. A few manufacturers offer bolt action rifles chambered in the 300 BLK. Subsonic 300 Blackout. Never seen that with 1:7 rifling twist. I like the topic, good initiative on consolidating info for the new comers. Quick Load program is, buy their own admission should NEVER be used over ANY published data. This is the only powder I have used in my 44 Magnum ever since. as well as finding the load data you're going to need. Today, IMR is a trademark of the IMR Powder Company, a Hodgdon brand. 300 Blackout 125 GR NOS BT Hodgdon Trail Boss .308" 2.060" 300 Blackout 135 GR SIE VAR HP Hodgdon Trail Boss .308" 2.055" . Both the 296 and Lil'Gun loads functioned but my ears told me the 296 was the loudest of the two. Although functionally identical to the 300 Whisper, the 300 AAC Blackout is its own SAAMI standardized cartridge. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Hodgdon CFE-BLK was designed to provide that level of consistency and performance in the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge, particularly when making subsonic loads. The twist rate needed to accommodate the heavy subsonic bullets makes finding accurate super sonic loads difficult. An ideal solution for loading 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, and even 410-bore shotshell ammunition, its high loading density provides optimal velocity. Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. With the right projectiles and an adequate rifle platform, such loads are ideal for hunting or self-defense. To save a bunch of questions, you may want to add W296 next to H110, with a note that they are the same powder. 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Note: H110 loads should never be reduced by more than 3%. 2 0 obj I would say 10 times more people use lil gun than R7 for subsonic loads. In contrast, subsonic .300 Blackout is ballistically very close to the Russian 9x39mm, the 2 often being compared to the point that bullet drop data and points of impact are virtually identical from 0 to 200 meters. Why not give JD Jones credit for the development of the 300 Whisper, which AAC tweaked into the 300 AAC Blackout by increasing the length of the chamber throat 0.015 and SAAMI-ed it. It is the factory powder for Winchester 357, 41 and 44 magnums. The short case length doesnt necessarily effect feeding, since the bullet of the loaded cartridge is similar in length to the 223 Remington, but it can make ejection difficult from many bolt action rifles. This website uses cookies to ensure the best experience possible. 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Winchester 296 .308" 2.260" . Winchester 296 is also recommended for 410-bore AA loads. If you folks want really figures use quick loadthis data and noslers data is bogus. Just sayn, I switched to LilGun for 220RN sub groups we t down to under 1 MOA cycles 26 bbl great. It isnt hard to save yourself roughly a third of the cost of a box if youre used to buying quality ammunition. Good subsonic loads fired out of a suppressed weapon should be quiet enough that you dont need hearing protection. It is cross-compatible with. Powders include Winchester, Hodgdon, IMR You find load data for cartridges in caliber .300 AAC Blackout with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. They are constantly asking about powders. Address: xxl-reloading.com, Gartenweg 9, 83661 Lenggries, Germany. It set the standard. 9.0, 10.0 grains Hodgdon H-110 powder (See chronograph data below) 2.230 COL (2.260 is max for AR-15) Use load data at your own risk. I played with some H110 and had one group with two touching and a flier opening it to an inch. I plan to build a bolt action with a 16.5 barrel and will use projectiles between 180 220 gr., so not sure if I should go with the 1-8 or get a 1-7 barrel blank made. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Optimal performance with supersonic loads is generally achieved with 100- to 130-grain projectiles, while good subsonic loads are achievable with 190- to 240-grain bullets. An Instruction/Load data Sheet for the 300 Blackout die set can be purchased through the link below. An innovative way to carry your backup gun. The ability to shoot a wide range of bullets is a mixed blessing. 220 sierras were stable to 150 meters with 1:7 twist. Hodgdon's load data for H4189, H110, Lil-Gun powders (not that I'm using those powders) with A-Max 208's actually lists 2.26" as the OAL which is the max SAAMI spec. I use it for my 220gr subsonic 300 blk loads. To be able to use the full range of Shopware 6, we recommend activating Javascript in your browser. APP Automatic Processing Press 90951 90933, http://leeprecision.com/300aac-blackout-c-tb.html. Pingback: NEW: Sierra Bullets .300 AAC Blackout Reloading Data - AK Arms, Pingback: NEW: Sierra Bullets .300 AAC Blackout Reloading Data | Firearms Life, They should. Nosler specifies a Winchester standard rifle primer. This cartridge accepts 0.308 bullets, making it a true .30-caliber cartridge for which a wide selection of projectiles ranging from 80 to 250 grains is available. Tuning any lower can result in inconsistent burn- aka squib loads- aka projectile in the barrel just waiting to become a KB. Early on, the claimed goal was to have ammunition prices on par with the inexpensive .223 Rem. These are powders that are typically marketed to the magnum pistol crowd, not the rifle folks. Runs with or without a suppressor. No reviews found. For the next 14 years Winchester aggressively sought new markets, created new products and explored new opportunities for his lever-action rifles. The velocities cited for the BLK are asthmatic. 6.5 Creedmoor load development: Sierra 130 grain Tipped MatchKing (TMK) with H4350, Varget, Reloder 15 and Reloader 17, First impressions ofthe Modular Driven Technologies (MDT) HS3 Chassis system. The loads shown below are only considered safe in the test gun! This could be Hodgdon H110, Hodgdon CFE Black, Accurate 1680, Reloder 7 or a variety of others. Thats a lot of work already done that I only need to tweak for my rifle, however when I chrono these loads Sierra is pretty much dead on! It is mankind I have no trust in. Although all Ramshot propellants are made in Belgium at the PB Clermont factory, it is a Hodgdon brand, benefitting from the companys decades of experience in smokeless powder manufacturing. Punching it into quickload shows a 64% case fill, and pressures estimated in the 22K range. The 300 Blackouts .30 caliber bullet can be made especially long, and as the result may weigh up to 220 grains quadruple the weight of the typical 223 Rem rounds. Powders that clearly work and have been tested thoroughly be AAC. If youre only feeding a bolt-action rifle or only slow-firing an AR-15, then a single-stage press, such an RCBS Rock Chucker, will work. 1 MOA. Using 125 gr prohunter, I really appreciate the updated data, I was working on subsonic loads and Sierra did the work for me. Reading a few different reports of accuracy issues with the cartridge in general (youll notice many of the sub sonic groups published online are shot at 25 yards!- more on this later), I came to the realization, that most of the good groups found with the cartridge were shot with either a special chamber (not a 300 BLK which has a long throat to accommodate the heavy bullets) or a slower twist rate to work well with the light bullets (SAAMI specifies a 1:8 twist, click link). Joined Feb 16, 2018 Messages 439. Sierra 180Grain match king projo, 12.2 grains of powder. I think 296 and 4227 are the same powders, not 100% sure though. If you cannot find one powder in stock, the other may function as a substitute, using the same load data. These seemingly small differences are significant. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. The typical range of bullet weights runs from about 110 grains all the way to 240 grains.For brass, you have some options. The D&H Tactical magazine on the right shows no such issue with the 180-grain Rainier Ballistics FP, due to having shallower front ribs in the magazine. They instead heavily based their new cartridge on SSK Industries 300 Whisper. Works good for 357 mag, achieves expected 1200+ fps. Winchester 296 is also recommended for 410-bore AA loads. Have experienced some unstability problems with cans and 1:8 barrels with 220 gr sierras. Match Grade. Duane Siercks, Ballistic Technician. Sierra Bullets 300 AAC Blackout Load Data, NEW: Sierra Bullets .300 AAC Blackout Reloading Data - AK Arms, NEW: Sierra Bullets .300 AAC Blackout Reloading Data | Firearms Life. One of the benchrest guys I know asked how I liked my 300 BLK rifle. Carbine length gas tube. Thats a 16: bbl. East Central. They are only safe in the rifle shown and may not be safe in yours. Highly recommended, I reload for my 300 Blackout very clean burning powder and accurate, great for .357, .41, and .44 magnum pistols. The 300 Blackout would never see mainstream military use, although it became popular in the civilian shooter market. With the right load and A LOT of tuning, the rifle shot well with both supersonic and sub sonic offerings. Want a subsonic load using reloader 7 or h4198? x}% 9 V/@]Jz$Y-l7 m1#`2A2*tTfn2+O~W|S/_^Se=~oL/Ooh}k4m{zc{>{!w-77cz-Nnxo#j~_~t{pt/c|~z'Gc;2`gk)i,0 1cOh||z>3z L`];H\Gwyb^z-_.oWlw}E> Has N120 been discontinued? powder: A1680. Is that obsolete now, or not recommended. 5-2556 Review The needs of the various shooting disciplines differ greatly. Ive seen somewhat large quantities of ammo loaded on a single stage, but it is time-consuming and sometimes involves bribing children to do things like checking it all in a case gauge (be sure to check your states child labor laws). by Merlin1274 Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:38 pm, Post In my Palmetto State Armory 7.5 upper the load functions perfectly ! The .300 Blackout has become very popular in recent years, and this is due in part to the cartridges high versatility. It has since become popular for a wide range of uses including hunting and home defense. <>>> $ 39.99. 12 gr. A subsonic load requires a powder that will launch your bullet at a muzzle velocity under the speed of sound (1,125 ft/s) with sufficient downrange accuracy. They are attempting give you the best information out there. Load Data Card - .300 AAC Blackout (7.62x35mm) - AR-15. This can lead to poor accuracy from lighter loads. The 2017 printing is identified by the gold star on the front cover that states "Revised 2017 New Powders over 37,000 loads". The 300 AAC Blackout Loading Data wasn't listed in the 2016 version because we hadn't received load data for that caliber at the time of the printing. Winchester 296 Ball Powder. The two key features that make the 300 BLK excellent for the AR platform, make it difficult to work with ina bolt action rifle; a short case and use of both super and subsonic bullets. Pistol ammo loads with H110 call for magnum primers. The 300 BLK is an interesting cartridge for the rifleman. If you wish to run the 235gr Lee supersonic it will be fine but subsonic you should choose a different powder. Converting an AR-15 to fire 300 Blackout is as simple as swapping its barrel. We were even close for a short time. I have some other common pistol powders like lil gun, bullseye, and titegroup but would like to hear what you guys use for the 147 pills. Supersonic loads allow you to use lighter bullets and reach higher muzzle velocities. I was at Cabelas flipping through several reloading manuals and could not find 147 gr. 300 BLK Load Data warriorsociologist, I don't currently have any 147s on hand. Hogdon H110 isn't bad according to Foghorn (who graciously loaned . In many ways, it is the anti-rifle cartridge. Every product is hand selected by our editors. In 2012, Hodgdon introduced the Copper Fouling Elimination reloading powder line, with the CFE 223. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! 12 drop at 150 yd. They first looked to the 7.6239 for inspiration. A view into a Dillon Precision XL650 progressive reloading press midway through loading some .300 Blackout with 180 . Hodgdon H110 is identical to Winchester 296; it is simply sold under a different label. Ultimate Reloader is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. 300 BLK, Cartridge Selection, Reloading 0. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Ramshot Enforcer is also usable as a high-performance powder for .300 Blackout supersonic loads, ideal for projectiles ranging between 110 and 155 grains. DuPont initially developed the first Improved Military Rifle (IMR) powders between World War I and World War II as miniaturized versions of US artillery extruded propellants. A look at 300 Blackout ballistics including velocity, energy and drop data for some of the most popular loads among American shooters. Where 180-grain subsonics are concerned, so far Ive had good luck with Reloder 7. In today's episode of "I Carry," we have a Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Metal pistol with a Holosun EPS Red2 red-dot sight carried in a KSG Armory Lexington IWB holster. I'm setting up to start loading 300 Blackout. A crowd favorite for pig hunting, deer hunting and general subsonic fun with silencers, it remains a strong choice for many shooters. You might think I carry a gun because I don't trust God. A better solution to this problem is to use the .300 Blackout-specific magazines made by D&H Tactical and Magpul.A couplenice-to-have items that are not necessarily required for reloading .300 blackout are a brass tumbler and brass separator. The Best Self Defense Ammo Ballistic Testing, The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. The 300 AAC Blackout (300 BLK) is a popular alternativecartridgein the AR-15/M16 M4 (AR) community. Win 296 and H110 are the same, 4227 is not. You can purchase factory-new brass made by Hornady or Remington. It is extremely easy to convert an AR-15 to fire 300 Blackout ammunition, and the rounds ballistic performance is different enough to justify purchasing the barrel necessary to do so. If you arent worried about being on the cutting edge of accuracy, the fast twist needed to stabilize the heavier bullets, means you are spinning the lighter loads way too fast. Onm4>#wgfYcX+x;^!%w Gpho?w3x[:gb@UC8|tKn). The two key features that make the 300 BLK excellent for the AR platform, make it difficult to work with in a bolt action rifle; a short case and use of both super and subsonic bullets. On some guns, the short case can simply snap out from under the extractor if using a constant tension spring type ejector. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. 3 0 obj Size -- Quantity The latter has nearly twice the propellant, and is therefore better able to fell very distant game. Selected this powder based on recommendations that it was good for .410 reloading. He deserves NOTHING and would tax the IRS if he could do it. This powder generates relatively high velocities, making it suitable for loading hunting or self-defense ammunition. Lets explore all this caliber has to offer including an in-depth look at 300 Blackout Ballistics. The LGSs by me that carry VV can not get 120. containers. Serving as optimal powders for their intended cartridges. However, that can be problematic, as the shorter length can also make it easy for a loaded .300 Blackout cartridge to be chambered in a .223 Rem. Rounds were fed from a AICS style 223 magazine from Accurate Mag. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov, I have gotten great results when used to reload 300BK OUT, Love this powder. The following are loads that Lehigh Defense recommends for the 194gr ME bullet. I worked up a load and settled at 9.8gr of 296 which turns out to be an exact load listed by Winchester on their load data website. 1/8 twist. Hodgdon H110 is identical to Winchester 296; it is simply sold under a different label. In fact hide all tools you value from such people.At some point in the .300-Blackout reloading process, youre going to need to be able to weigh your powder charges. Known for its ability to deliver heavy subsonic bullets for standard AR magazines while cycling the action in suppressed applications, it also works well with lighter supersonic loads, offering a similarexternal ballistic performance to the 7.62x39mm Russian (check out my 300 AAC Blackout Review from September 2012). LOADS LESS THAN MINIMUM CHARGES SHOWN ARE NOT RECOMMENDED. Most have reported it will not work for pistol systems either) H110 (subs and supers, however may not function some carbine systems with subs. Since my post back in Jan 2019, I have switched and lil Gun cut the groups in half.Sub sonic. I have three sources of loading data: Lyman's. . 300 BLK - Powder Coated Bullets with Winchester 296 6,475 views Mar 9, 2017 166 Dislike Share Save Johnny's Reloading Bench 120K subscribers Testing some powder coated bullets with Winchester. load was compared because I loaded the same powder charge for them , a year ago. With the opening of the American West to settlement and the ongoing military conflicts in Europe and the Near East, the demand for Winchester firearms and ammunition remained strong. Advanced Armament Corporation began developing a .30 caliber subsonic cartridge optimized for the M4 platform in 2009. http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=81553. As far as twist rate is concerned,I wanted the flexibility of being able to shoot the light and heavy rounds, so I ordered a custom barrel from Bartlein with a 1:7 twist. A handloader using .300 Blackout has less case capacity to experiment with than they would with a full-power rifle cartridge such as .308 Winchester or .30-06 Springfield. The gun doesnt move, there is even less recoil than an AR because you dont have the mass of the bolt carrier reciprocating in the rifle. It is quiet enough to allow a shooter to fire it without hearing protection. Firearm: 8.5 CMMG Barrel, H3 heavy buffer, superlative arms adjustable gas block, 30 Cal Kinetic Suppressor. 0. A carbine length gas system (one comment mentioned 16.5 inch gun would not cycle the action) will not work with subsonic loads in 300 blackout. 300 Blackout Reloading Data An Infamous round created by the Advanced Armament Corp in partnership with Remington in order to allow a .30 caliber to be used with an M4 with nothing more than a barrel exchange. It was later followed by CFE Pistol in 2014 and CFE BLK in 2019. I plan on doing more work with it and reporting back in the future. Depending on the weight and length of the bullet selected, the amount of space available inside the case may change dramatically. Once you reuse your brass, your ammunition costs will decrease even more. I have complete faith in my Lord. While the 300 BLK is easy (and inexpensive) to reload, Remington and AAC recognized that most people are not reloaders. The 1:7 twist worked fairly well with the heavier, 220 SMKs, with groups ranging from 1.082-1.477 MOA. The 2017 printing is identified by the gold star on the front cover that states "Revised 2017 New Powders over 37,000 loads". Relative Brun Rate: Powders that have been tested and tried by others. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, 224 Valkyrie Handloading: Working With Different Barrel Twist Rates, SHOT Show 2018: Daniel Defense V7P AR Pistol, Four Improved AR-15 Trigger Sets Under $100, First Look: B&T USA SPR300 PRO in .300 BLK, New: Magpul Enhanced Selector Kit For AR-Pattern Firearms | An NRA Shooting Sports Journal, First Look: Bersa BAR AR-15 | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Handloading The .223 Rem. There are many good reasons to reload for .300 Blackout. Again, if youre using .300 Blackout ammo in a gas-operated, semi-automatic rifle, youll have less flexibility in powder, since the gun needs enough gas to cycle reliably. 300 AAC Blackout is also finding use with hunters, who may not have been able to legally hunt with .223 in their state, and who prefer .30 caliber bullets for medium-sized game. <> We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. In addition, H110 is "the" choice for 410-bore shotgun, especially among . Cycles better than anything. When it comes to recoil energy, assuming you're using an 8 pound rifle, the Blackout hits you less with 4.3 foot-pounds compared to the AK's 6.34 foot-pounds. The 300 Blackout cartridge is known for providing a wide range of bullet weights and velocities much to the chagrin of bullet drop compensating scope reticle designers. Intended primarily for high case capacity, high-power cartridges such as .454 Casull, .475 Linebaugh, and .500 S&W Magnum, it has also been used successfully for decades in certain rifle calibers, such as 7.62x39mm and .300 Blackout. This will not be for specific loads, although some may be listed, but will be broken down for supersonic powders, subsonic powders, powders that work for both, as well subsonic powders for bolt action and single shot, and may be broken down more as things progress. I went back and read my notes. However, the .300 Blackout is available in both supersonic and subsonic loads, while the . At worst, it puts you at risk of extreme and life-threatening overpressure. For specific loads, there is also information available on Hodgdon Powders website.One thing you may want to decide before reloading .300 Blackout is whether you want to load subsonic ammunition, supersonic ammunition or both. loads were well over the stated FPS in the loading data of 2100 fps. Winchester 296 . INDICATES MAXIMUM LOAD USE CAUTION IMR 4227 is suitable for supersonic and subsonic loads. Most accurate and functional: 10.0gr AA1680, WSPM @ 2.180 OAL - 1,025 fps.
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